This short 12-minute interview was conducted at the New Living Expo in San Mateo, CA, in 2019. It was all about meditating with the Yoga/Meditation Bench, but you couldn't see the bench! 


  The first interview went so well that a month later, we did a much longer interview (48 m) for their XPNSion Network). It covered a lot of ground centered around spiritual growth practices!